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21/Nov 2008 at 00:35

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Spain: Myspace.com returns to Eurovision selection

Spanish broadcaster TVE will continue relying on the Myspace.com method to pick the country's entry for Eurovision 2009. Next year's selection process will be called Eurovision 2009: The return and will be presented on Monday 24th at 12:00 CET. From that date, entries can already be submitted to the broadcaster.

The press conference in which Eurovisión 2009: El retorno will be presented will be held this Monday, 12:00 CET, at the Palacio de Miraflores, in Madrid. The directors of TVE and rtve.es, Javier Pons and Rosalía Lloret, alongside Borja Prieto, responsible for contents of Myspace.com, will introduce all the novelties regarding Eurovision 2009, the new Spanish selection method and its schedule. All those interested in submitting songs to the Spanish national selection will be able to do so from next Monday as well.

Collaboration between TVE and Myspace.com kicked off at the beginning of 2008, when the broadcaster announced that Spain's representative would be selected via the popular social network and a televised gala. That programme was entitled Salvemos Eurovisión and viewers supported Rodolfo Chikilicuatre to represent the Iberian country with the song Baila el chiki chiki. His controversial act in Belgrade placed 16th, nonetheless the best result for Spain since 2004.


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Michael UK [23926]
Sun 23 Nov 2008 19:00:24

@ eric
well maybe they will learn and not allow joke songs


Eric Sampedro [39811]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 19:52:04

What a mess...spanish TVE is definitively out of mind! another year making the same mistake to allow joke-clowns to represent our country to europe?


Will T [42521]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 17:35:04

to be honest i enjoy the one or 2 joke entries every year... it makes it more entertaining... and it's always good when you're having a party on the night cause everyone laughs... i think people are reading too much into it here


Glen Bartlett [22315]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 17:15:41

If I'm honest, I wanted Piensa Gay to win.
With the dancing teletubbies.


Kivar . [46584]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 17:05:12

I'm spanish and I think SPAIN must withdraw from the contest.
It's seen that Europe don't love us, so why to be in a place where people doesn't want us to be?
I record the contest year-by-year, and never record the spanish show... as if they never participated (except last year... i liked the Chiki Chiki)

I think last year's song didn't break the rules, because the rules say every country must send a song up to 3 minutes. The original chiki-chiki was 1 minutes 22 seconds... but it was made 3:00 I think this is not breaking rules.
I loved SCOOCH in 2007.


Charlie B. [18502]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 16:47:07

OK, ChrisP, I see your point: "Do not care about sending a song that violates all the rules. The song still can be chosen and later on you can modify it". About a proof of cheating: I cheated. It was allowed to vote only five times per computer. But if you refreshed your IP, you could vote for another five times. I was able to do it, but only manually. THere were some people who set a routine in the computers changig their IP, and then they were able to vote as many times as they wanted. I knew it, and Spanish TV knew it, and nobody cared. It's not the most important thing in the world, but the massive internet fraud was a fact and Spanish TV knows it.


William [36633]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 16:13:26

Down with the clowns


Stockholm calling [44413]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 14:00:58

Well said, Chris P !

And Jonny, I did find Scooch funny and I can see your point :D


Michael UK [23926]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 13:52:52

if it wasnt for that imbecile winning no-one would be complaining abaout the process. had coral or casa azul won, everyone woiuld be happy. so lets hope tve has the sense to ignore joke songs nxt yr
they should have a esc fan poll to select 2 of the finalists in my opinion. after all we no best !


ChrisP . [42145]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 13:42:55

Well, they turned up with a song that went for long enough (some would say too long!). "Gentle" political messages have often surfaced in Eurovision songs, and often as long as it's not too overt, have been overlooked. Voting as many times as you want isn't a problem. You can do that in Eurovision itself (even though not online). I do however agree that if any manipulation occurred, then that is a problem. About the songs the jury chose...well, it's a jury, no-one said it has to agree with the public vote...and seeing as people are claiming the public vote was rigged, then maybe it was for the best jury had the final say, if we can't trust the public numbers. And as for where the revenues went...well, if TVE wants to do things on the cheap, as they have been doing, then don't expect huge profits! Besides, the increased interest most likely had advertising revenue increases (for both stations). I'm not defending the Spanish final here, I'm being a realist. If there was cheating then that is clearly a problem, but I have yet to see definitive proof of that, and when I ask for it, people don't seem to be able to give it.


Charlie B. [18502]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 10:30:29

I didn't like the Spanish song, but this isn't the point. The key question were the irregularities during the selection procedure:

1. The song was too short according to Eurovision rules
2. It included political messages, which is also forbidden
3. The music was a plagiarism, and there was a youtube link which proved it beyond any shadow of doubt
4. Most important: the internet voting was a massive fraud. I myself was able to vote as many times a day as I wanted. There were organized groups of hackers who openly admited that they were manipulating the procedure.

About the 5 other songs in the final picked by the jury
5. The first song which didn't qualify had over 55.000 votes. The jury choosed a song with 87 votes. Not even the composer himself voted for this song. This is not againts the rules, but it was rather ridiculous.
6. The jury picked a song and later on it came out that it wasn't elegible because it had been aired some months ago. This was "just" a mistake, but it shows the attention they gave to it.
7. Andermay (who composed "Dime" ;) openly admited in a letter addressed to Eurovision fans that their song wasn't good enough and promised a better song for the next year, and they withdrew from the competition. But the jury picked this song.

Not to mention that most of the reveniews did not go to Spanish channel TVE, but to a private one (laSexta), who created the charachter of Rodolfo.

Is there still anybody who thinks that the Spanish procedure was a fair one, regardeless of the quality of the song?


Jonny K [46850]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 09:48:05

Both Keith and Chris make very good points ;)

The selection looked a disaster to euro-fans :S But if we actually look at it, it was a success. Eurovision viewing rates in Spain increased, they selected an entry that they really liked, the selection was a innovative idea . . actually it worked! The reason why so many people here don't like it is because it didn't get the result they wanted, because most people here (and me :P) think Spain should have sent Coral or La Casa Azul :) Although admittedly I did find chiki chiki funny on the night ;)

The UK did the same thing in 2007, we selected Scooch and we all loved the joke and found it funny within the UK, but nobody outside the UK got the joke or found it funny (apart from Ireland and Malta!), and also we had a better song in runner up position, "i'll leave my heart" by Cyndi :) But at the end of the day "flying the flag" was a hit here whereas "I'll leave my heart" just wouldn't have been ;) Basically looking back, selecting "flying the flag" seems so daft, but at the time, people thought it was great and was perfect for eurovision, and Spain did exactly the same thing for Belgrade :D :)


ChrisP . [42145]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 09:17:36

The Spanish selection got votes from people. So it didn't win the contest, but it did a lot better than 8 other countries...I don't see people complaining that Melodifestivalen needs to be scrapped/changed because of Charlotte's performance. Nor do I see anyone anywhere whining about the other 8 under-achievers in the final (apart from the UK, but everyone always bashes them). The fact remains that the song was No.1 in Spain (and charted in other places) and the Spanish people actually picked a song they liked.The selection process itself also worked - by increasing viewing numbers, increasing general interest, and by achieving the best result in 5 years. Who says the selection process will produce the same type of song this year anyway? The song was obviously entertaining to a good number of people.

THE ONLY GOOD AND TRUE VOTES ARE FROM US THE REAL EUROVISION FANS ,WHO LOVE THE CONTEST AND SEE JUSTICE IN THE FINAL RESULT.

If we, the fans of the contest, start to think we are better and/or our opinion is more important or somehow "better" than the European public at large, then that is very sad. Above all, we need to actually remember that people in Europe aren't entirely stupid and are actually capable of voting for a song they like, and shock-horror, a song you might not like.


LIBERATO ANTONIO [44459]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 08:02:00

IF A SONG LIKE THIS YEAR WON , WHAT MAKES PEOPLE THINK THAT ANOTHER CRAP SONG WON'T GET TO MOSCOW AGAIN , WE MUST GET IT INTO OUR HEADS THAT THE PUBLIC THAT ARE VOTING ARE , 1 .CHILDREN , 2 OLDER GENERATION . THE ONLY GOOD AND TRUE VOTES ARE FROM US THE REAL EUROVISION FANS ,WHO LOVE THE CONTEST AND SEE JUSTICE IN THE FINAL RESULT.


Keith Timmons [44873]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 05:45:32

You all seem to think that since the chosen song didn't get many votes last year, the selection system didn't work. That's not the case; Spain would have never got many votes in any event because Spain is not a country that Europeans like to vote for. In this light, finishing 17th is a great achievement for Spain, probably as good as it gets for them, and naturally they will want to repeat this relative success next year. Let's remember that as long as the Eurovision Song Contest is a farce, the only sensible reason to stay in the game is because the national final in itself is interesting - regardless of the anticipated international result. Spain is doing this, so let's applaud their efforts and be grateful that they're still with us.


Molly Parton [29330]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 00:42:47

mmm yes well it worked so well last time...


Candyman 12 points [14078]
Sat 22 Nov 2008 00:22:15

well done!! if ti worked in 2008, why not for the 2009 entry?


Pau PV [37672]
Fri 21 Nov 2008 21:39:43

We don't learn... Spain is different!


Adalberto Iglesias [36606]
Fri 21 Nov 2008 21:24:25

I hope they choose a good song
like LA REVOLUCION SEXUAL....
( I dont like Soraya's song :S )

Spain has never disappointed me...
(except for last year obiously)


Mario Mir [44111]
Fri 21 Nov 2008 18:36:22

I agree the problem is not MySpace system itself, the problem was the corruption of the system in last edition.
I remember Spanish fans were delighted with the system and some of the songs uploaded before the voting...the problem started just then with problems of fraud and interferences from other media.
In the original news posted on the Spanish website told about some changes will be introduced this year (starting with the process will be kicked two months before) and I'm sure MySpace will introduce changes in voting for avoiding frauds, because MySpace is the first interested in showing this process could be good, for other countries like France for example.
Well, on Monday we'll have a clearer idea about this.


Will T [42521]
Fri 21 Nov 2008 18:15:04

@ Mina
I guess it got more people interested so they were happy with higher viewing figures. I'm sure no one expected to do well :)


Mina Carnation [51405]
Fri 21 Nov 2008 18:08:16

I guess they were happy with this method last year :(


Mazarra Mazerati [44529]
Fri 21 Nov 2008 17:52:50

Because it worked so well last time...... not!

We can only hope for a decent song this year.


Eres Tu [20270]
Fri 21 Nov 2008 17:14:38

I support the myspace approach. It is democratic, contemporary and relevant. As long as it is well applied and the voting system is given a bit more thought than last year (avoiding "irregularities" ;), it has potential to give some good results. Even last year we got a handful of gems that I wold have never dreamed of having in a Spanish Eurovision selection... (most notably, of course, "La Revolucion Sexual" ;).


Jonny K [46850]
Fri 21 Nov 2008 16:53:29

Silly TVE! :P Actually thinking about it the selection wasn't that bad, the problem was that the wrong songs were selected so the quality of the national final was awful and they chose a bad act :) There were some really good songs that were over looked, and out of the 10 songs in the national final, only 2 were of any good standard imo ;)


Will T [42521]
Fri 21 Nov 2008 16:11:16

Coral and Bizarre had good songs aswell... it's like the German national selection, they just chose the wrong act, and i don't think we can blame it entirely on myspace. there are a lot of young people with music taste who would have voted for a real song on myspace I'm sure :)


Fernando Lpez [38550]
Fri 21 Nov 2008 16:03:32

Have we gone all crazyyyy????
let's wait for Buenafuente and another one of his funny jokes


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