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Rescheduled to March 15th
Israel: National final delayed for one day
Har'el Ska'at will perform these 4 songs in the national final, on March 15th:
- "Le'an?" (Where to?) - Text: Sahar Hagay & Eyal Shahar, Music: Eyal Shahar
- "Millim" (Words) - Text: Noam Horev, Music: Tomer Hadadi
- "Ela'yich" (To you) - Text: Noam Horev, Music: Ohad Chitman
- "Le'hitkarev" (To get closer) - Text: Sahar Hagay, Text: Nitzan Keikov
A preliminary programme on IBA was scheduled for March 6th, in which the 4 songs were supposed to be presented. At this stage, it is still unknown whether it will indeed be broadcasted as scheduled.
Har'el Ska'at will perform in the first half of the second semifinal of the 2010 Eurovision Song Contest.
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@ Adrian
the is Mizrahi and there is Mizrahi.
the Mizrahi of all this shity singers like the peretz,Idan Yaniv,Dudu Aharon and Shirel you can wrap in a big nylon bag and throw to the ocean deep.
but artists in the Mizrahi music industry like Eyal Golan,Yoav Yitzhak,Haim Moshe,Yishai Levi,Itzik Kala,Sarit Haddad,Zehava Ben,Aviva Avida,Ahova Ozeri,Margol. this is pearls that you need to dig out from the ocean. they are realy good and talented. some of them make realy quality songs and ever-green music. and use lots of live instruments in the music recordings and give up on all the synthisizers bullshit.
and i dont agree with you that our radio stations only put this mizrahi and main-strim.
did you ever heard Balkan beat box? Carolina? Efrat Gosh?
they are consider also to be alternative music but my oh my...what a great music they do,
here is some links.
Carolina
http://www.youtube.c(...)/watch?v=ZVlVMFco7gw
Efrat Gosh
http://www.youtube.c(...)/watch?v=Xz4E2_diiTE
Balkan Beat Box
http://www.youtube.c(...)/watch?v=oWTRG5ucwaE
Subliminal feat. Dana International
http://www.youtube.c(...)/watch?v=oFAHtKv3hbY
all 4 songs i sent you now are no main-strim or Mizrahi and all 4 of them are in the top of the Israeli charts for more then 4 months.
@ true fantasy:
Do you mean 'Mizrahi' music? Yes, I know of it very well. but I was trying to be polite here on the board and not mention that type of 'music'. My friend, this is not music. And just like Eurotrash Dance music here in the UK and Europe this music is as bad, although I have to admit - quite popular...
Yes I know Israel is very interesting musically. But you will have to agree that in radio they either have the 'Mizrahi' stuff, or the other type of Israeli mainstream pop (the drums!! ;-) These 2 types are the main one's.
There are many other styles but they are not as popular as these two. and none of them really suit Eurovision. Shiri Maimon & Boaz songs are not typically songs that someone will release to the radio in Israel. But they were perfect for Eurovision - and that's my point really - Skaat needs something ELSE then what he is used to sing normally to really succeed in Eurovision.
I hope my point is clearer now...
Have a good day!
@ Adrian.
did you here the mediterranien mixed with europop sound coming out from Israeli music industry?
if you want i can send you lots of examples that fly you out from your chair. not all Israeli music is mainstrim sang in Hebrew.
just like your contry UK, Israel is a contry built from lots of imigrants coming from diffrent places in the world. so we enjoy here lots of cultures and music styles.
the dominant music in Israel today in the radios and among most of the people is ethnic and midlle-eastern dance pop music. and not mainstrim drums music like you think.
Israel is having an amazing musicians and artists and i think this page will be shirt to name them.
you live in UK and i live here. im more aware to the music scene here in Israel, so please dont critisis our music scene just from hearing few artists.
have a great day.
@ all the people who answered my previous post:
Firstly, I was not referring to all Israel entries, but mainly the recent one's (2000-2009). I do know a bit about current pop in Israel and it's mostly quite boring in fact. You seem to have this mainstream music which is not unlike American mainstream, only sang in Hebrew. Personally, I do not care for that music but that's just me...In any case I don't believe it is suited for Eurovision.
Secondly, I didn't say Harel Skaat was not a good singer - in fact he is, very much so, but as yet he still needs to 'wow' me with his material. There are a handful of songs which are nice ('Ve-At' for example) but again I repeat like a broken record I don't like the Israeli-style productions which are based on mainly drums, then some guitar; hardly any violins or other exotic instruments from the area (like duduk). They sound very dull to my ear, I have to confess. I hope that a full orchestration will be used in Harel songs to give it a bit of volume and some 'umpff'..
I do not mean to dis the Israeli entry at all. But as I said before we need to listen to these songs before anyone says: "oh he must be Top-3" or something like that...
Good luck!!
true Fantasy - I totaly agree that a good song and a good singer could make a huge difference.
When i said that no ESC songs made any influence in Israel since 1998 I meant for other countries songs. That is unlike the 70's and 80's where you could find other countries songs in the hit parades of those years.
Amir
Hasheket shenishar of Shiri Maimon won song of the year in reshet gimmel chart at 2005 while Diva was number 2 in 1998 at the year chart. so hasheket shenishar had a bit more impact on Israelis.
(hebrew music chart).
and its not at all conected to IBA. becose i remember that eurovision 1999,kdam 2005,Eurovision 2005 and Eurovision 2008
had an amazing raiting figures in Israel.
as i told on my first comment here. you need a damn good song and a damn good artist. and no matter which chanel is sending the artist or producing his/her/thier kdam.
True Fantasy - I'm not sure that that is the reason. It might be one of the reasons, but I believe there a few more: (1) The musical taste in Israel have changed dramatically when you compare it to what we had in the 70's and 80's. (2) People here are still fixed on the old ESC image and refuse to understand the kind of songs which are now trendy in the ESC is far from the claasic ESC songs' patern (3) People view of the relatioship with Europe and some of Europe's countries to Israel has done its share as well (4) while the ESC remained in the hands of the IBA, people see the ESC as an old fashioned thing and irrelevant, just as the IBA is considered to be (5) No ESC songs has made any significant impression in israel since 1998
@ Amir
i know it will be hard to you to hear it and you will try to tell im wrong, while both, you and me know why the avarage Israeli dont care about Eurovision.
it's becose Eurovision have a gay image.
Interesting dialogue going on! As for the public voting - I think (know) that one of the big problems is the fact that many people vote more than once. How many times have you heard someone say "I voted for Ebenezer Scrooge 6 times! And 3 times for Eliza Doolittle!" That defeats the whole purpose!!! That's why I prefer juries. And by the way, let's not forget that it is a SONG contest. Not a popularity contest and not a dance contest.
I didn't like many Israeli entries, but I 
3 of them:
Sarit Hadad
Shiri Maymon
Boaz Mauda
I hope this year will be smth like that! 
Thomas Israel - I totally disagree with you about your comment rergarding the way Juries used to vote in the old days of the ESC. If you are a member of ESC Tapuz forum" i'm ready to make an effort to find the old bulletins i have of OGAE from the end of the 80's and early 90's. You'll see how people saw the juries vote as biased and using neighbour votings. So nothing is new under the sun, and the juries back then were not better.
Second thing i wanted to tell you is that hardly find anyone around me (and i'm not talking about ESC fans) who gives a damnn about ESC. And that is in my opinion the general mood in the country.
The maion problem of the IBA is financing and stability - If that is solved they could preopare themselves every year for the Kdam enoough time in advance, and maybe the results will be better. As for the chances serious singers will take part in the kdam or agree to represent israel in the ESc, well first the general opinion in the public about the contest must be changed, plus a proper participation in financing the delegation must done by the IBA or any other source, but that again brings us to the same old story and reason.
im not talking about the songs... im talking about the voting... and the way eurovision become..
@ Tomas
i agree with you on the new contries 50% 50%
about the political voting? yes i agree/
about the songs they send? 80% of the songs come from Balkan and ex ussr contries are actualy damn good songs.
the contries who started to make foolish of them selfs are the western European contries, becose they dont know how to win Eurovision becose of the political voting so they send strange acts and trying to do over the top things that becomes real failures.
for example: Spain-2005,2006,2008
Ireland-2005,2008
uk-2007
Germany-2002,2008,2009
France-2007,2008
Belgium,2008,2009
Austria-2000,2003,2007
Switzerland--2004,2007
this songs were a real circus on stage.
true fantasy ..
i dont believe anyone in some random forum untill i hear the songs! ... maybe this guy personally dont like it.. but thats just one person taste.. what if others do ..
and i heard this guy saying it also in youtube even before the songs names was out.. so im hardly believing him !
in the last century... u didnt see turkish and greeks argue ..
u couldnt see greece giving 12 to cyprus always..
or either germany giving 12 to turkey..
u wouldnt see even block voting or any politics!
and it was amazing and im realy missing it! i lost my hope that it will be like back then .. but seriously all those new countries.. dont get offended please but.. since you all join.. this contest turn into a big circus ... its not eurovision anymore..
its Politicvision. maybe we switch the contest for the best country in europe no ? lol
its joke!
and about eurovision i may be offend people from other countries but if that happends im truly sorry and apolgize but i have to say the truth ..
so eurovision what it was back to 60's-70's-80's it was HUGE contest everyone was watching it all over europe/israel.
many artists who went ther ebecome vey popular and famous in the world..
Ofra haza .. ABBA ... Celine Dion ... and others.
the voting was fair! with no politics or any nighboor countries.. u could see countries who hhave no conecction to each other giving 12 points by their songs! at that times... Israel was geting more 12 points from scandinavian uk france germany or others... but since 90's until 00''s EUROVISION WAS turning into huge shit!
with all those former yugoslav countries .. balkans voting.. scandinavian start voting for themselfs... east europe countries voting for Russia and eachother... u know ONLY ONE COUNTRY WHO STILL VOTING FOR SONGS ONLY! IS Purtogal
now all that new countries join bringin their politics into the contest... and politics voting and all that bullshit!
@ Tomas
in your respond i actualy see you agree with me :-)
dont get me wrong. but its better to withdraw insted sending foolish songs and un-proffesional artists.
anyway. im glad this year FINALYYYYYYYYY!!!!! we send a real good singer.
i just went inside Tapuz Eurovision forum. there is one guy there who claims he heard the songs in the reharsals room and he say that there is no a real up-tempo song. 2 Ballads and 2 mainstrim mid tempo songs.
but he said that "Lean" who was co writen by Eyal Schahar who wrote Shiri song of 2005. is the best song out of the 4 and can realy get top 5 in Eurovision easy.
Amir ..
if the israelis would lose interese in the eurovision than..
The KDAM 2010 Israeli national final wouldnt be at Reshset in channel 2 which is the leading channel in israel at 21:00 which is the time with the most rating on the tv channels.. there is now more interese in ESC more then it was 3 years back to 2007
since boaz was in ESC there was more and more viewrs and now when harel skaat is taking part.. everyone inviting him to be at shows talking about his eurovision representive.. and harel can bring high rating this year to eurovision.. cuz he got alot of fans over there coutry who may follow him
@ Amir
you gave me financial reasons.
writing damn good song and choosing a realy good artist will solve financial arangments for expensive kdams. belive me.
i talked about the fact at the last decade, choosing songs for kdams were not taken very siriously. and so does our poor results were. it was becose most of the A class singers,Musicians and songs writers in Israel see Eurovision as a circus and they dont want to preform there.
even Noa and Mira admited that the real reason they participated was to deliver thier peace mesage, but if it was for other reason,they wouldnt do Eurovision.
truely? the reason Israel is not taking Eurovision sirious any more is becose our real fine artists who realy make good music in Israel see all this Eurovision circus on stage and dont want to be catalogized with it.
lets see if artist like Eyal Golan (which i think Europeans will be crazy for him more then Harel Skaat) will agree to represent Israel those days when Eurovision became more circus contest then a real song contest?
now i have wild guesse acordding to the songs name's that 3 of them are ballads but who knows =] !
i hope to hear good songs!
Andrian Senderson ..
i dont agree with u at all ..
First Harel skaat is great singer with amazing voice .
And i dont know how long youve been watching the eurovision but the Israeli ESC history since 1973 is like more then half are ballads with piano guitars or violins.
for example our 2 winning songs in
1978 and 1979 does have piano in it..
and in many other israeli enteris does have it also ..
i remember that we send only 2 songs with drums which is 2007 & 2009 if im not wrong...
Harel Skaat is an awsome singer... and every song can fit him either if its pop rock ballad or w/e thats why hes so good! he can do all kinds of music.
now there no question of geting into top10 with singer liek this... and we can talk even about israel winning it.. cuz the quality of the songs this year is disapointing i have to say.
true fantasy ...
we Israelis who always expecting win cuz we are strong country in eurovision with great history that everyone except from israel to send good songs doesnt mean we have to withdraw after 3 years... i mean... there countries who didnt won even once like purtogal and they still believe they will ..
the problem is that we israelis take eurovision as joke and that we are the best and we gonna win it.. i have to say the truth..
we got high expections every year... but we didnt take the contest seriously... look at the years 2000 2001 2003 2004 2006 2007 i mean this is joke! and im glad that this issue went into the Israeli parliment and now that we send an awsome singer and one of our top singers here in israel.
according to the songs of all the countries atm ... with good song israel CAN WIN IT..
Does anybody know where the final will be held and how to attend ??????
True Fantasy - I beg to differ:
Indeed the goal of sending a song to ESC is winning the competition. However, in the current situation where we have around 40 countries in the contest, the chances of winning are not high as they used to be back until the mid 90's. Therefore, if israel does not win in the next 3 years, I don't see the point of withdrawing from the contest.
As for the problem with the Israeli songs, let's face it - There is very low interest in Israel in the contest, if at all. That is the first and most crucial thing.
Second thing, the IBA is facing seriuos financial problems dragging already for the last 15 or so years. A substantial reform of the way the IBA is managed and financed needs to be implemented, otherwise the IBA will have no possibility to continue living.
Third thing, deriving from my second point is the need to allocate financing to the Kdam/process of chosing the Israeli representative -Since the IBA finds itself in a deficit of Euro 20,000,000 per year (for the last ten years), it can never make arrangments in advance for chosing the Israeli song - the simple reason for that is that they need year after year to get additional finance from the parliamnet and the term when such financing could be confirmed is only around late november every year.
Thus, the IBA can never make any plans for a Kdam as early as other countries, but always have to wait till the last minute around December. Given that, songwriters and artists can never prepare proerly and in a reasonable timely manner for writing songs. As songs and reperesentatives are chosen at the last second, the results are accordingly.
Just to remind you, around november 24 1980 the IBA announced that despite its previous commitment, it will not host the 1980 ESc in Jerusalem as planned. That was a result of the Parliament rejection to allocate additional financing the IBA did not have due to objection and non approval of raising of the yearly fees ("Agra" which the IBA relied in for collecting the financing needed to the 1980 ESC.
To Adrian Sanderson.
first of all none of us heard the songs yet that we can judge it.
lets wait and see.
second of all i dont agree with you on the drum thing. and if so it happend only in few songs at the history of Israeli songs to Eurovision.
the production of the songs in Israel is one of the bests.
since 1979 until 2006 Israel was known us one of the contries to produce the best national finals.
even the swedish with thier melodifestivalen learned a lot from the Israeli kdam formula, how to create big schlagers and to make enjoyable music night.
in the 70's,80's and 90's each song that compited in the kdam could proudly represent Israel and gain respectable place in Eurovision.
the problem with Israel at the 2000's years was not the production level but was a problem of "tired" song writers and "we dont want to win" atitude. Eurovision was not important thing at that decade. the fact that Shiri Maimon and Boaz Mauda had good ranks was just that Israel didnt wanted to have shame and bad repertuar all over the decade so they sent them to break the chain of failures.
Harel Skaat in my eyes is a real chain breaker, becose he is realy the best singer for Eurovision that Israel can imagine to send. and also Maya Buskila which i hope we send next year.
my way of thinking is like this: if Harel or Maya will not bring victory or top 3 in Eurovision this year or next, Israel should withdraw from Eurovision. becose the target is to win. and if you send your best cards and the game is not to your side so there is no use to continue playing anymore.
The problem is not with the singer or even the songs. the problem lies with the low quality production level in Israel, and there tendency to overuse computerised sampled music rather then real live orchestra. I have also noticed that just like the Americans they like to use drums as main bit, which for me always sounds harsh and very 70's-80's.
The success of both Shiri Maimon & Boaz Mauda was in fact with the production of the song (as well as the great singers and melodies), which was very untypical Israeli, and very well orchestrated - which suits Eurovision perfectly.
On the other hand, last year Noa & Mira production of the song was nothing short then diabolical, and although the singers were good, and melody acceptable - it had reached last place in the televoting; and quite right too.
With regards to Harel Skaat - I have to agree with Layla on this one: Good singer, nice pop tunes - but nothing outstanding, nothing that 'shouts' quality. and of course it lies again with the rather poor production of his songs. And I have a feeling that despite the great expectations of everybody here on the board, the song itself will rate average - good singer, nice tune, but as usual very poor production from the Israelis; They rarely get it right with the production levels.
My advise to Mr Skaat is to insist on a full orchestral production, dropping any drums out of the picture and using other instruments - guitars, piano, violins - to create the movement of the song. It will also suit his voice perfectly. Only then you might suggest he has a chance for the Top-10.
We'll see.
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