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13/Jun 2010 at 23:21

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Kato Hansen, Jostein Pedersen - © Berit Roald Scanpix
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The Kato Hansen interview

Norway: MGP and Eurovision book a bestseller!

Not only the songs are riding high in the Norwegian charts after this year's Eurovision Song Contest. This week, the book "Melodi Grand Prix - the artists, the successes, the scandals, the outfits" was the highest new entry in the Norwegian bestsellers' list, climbing straight to no. 9.

The book is penned by former Norwegian OGAE President Kato Hansen and former Norwegian ESC commentator Jostein Pedersen.

The book received massive media attention after Norway's first ESC entrant, Nora Brockstedt, Norwegian superstar Wenche Myhre, and last year's winner Alexander Rybak attended the official launch on May 6th, on the eve of this year's ESC in Oslo. The fact that the original publisher, the Norwegian Broadcasting's own publishing arm, Aktivum, cancelled the contract only 40 days before the authors' deadline, also created an outcry in the Norwegian media. "It wasn't 'commercial enough" was the official explanation by the NRK. But now the book is a bestseller!

During the Eurovision weeks, the book did brisk business at the OGAE stand in Oslo - despite being written in Norwegian. Many journalists and fans found the extensive statistics very helpful - and instantly understandable. Many of them were intrigued by the book's revelations of several previously unknown details from the voting result of the 1956 Eurovision Song Contest. With the dust finally settled on this year's final in Oslo, Kato Hansen found time to talk to esctoday.com and explain how these revelations were made possible.

First of all, congratulations on Norway's first Eurovision reference work.

Thank you! It feels like a great achievement, especially since Jostein Pedersen, my co-author, and I got the assignment at a very late stage. Jostein wrote the articles, which were then proofread and updated by me. In addition, I was responsible for all the facts, listings, anecdotes and statistics. I was working virtually non stop for several months, and up to the very last minute before deadline. It was crazy, but all the stress and hard work was forgotten on May 6, at the launching of the book at a special party in Oslo which was attended by Eurovision legends Nora Brockstedt (Norway's first Eurovision participant, 1960), Wenche Myhre (Germany 1968) and Alexander Rybak (Norway 2009). The fact that this was my 25th European final made it even more special. And now it's a bestseller!

Why is the book divided in two separate parts with thematic instead of chronological articles?

Every book is a compromise between the author's ideals and the publisher's wishes. The latter, Schibstedt (one of Norway's oldest and most professional publishing companies), wanted this book to be useful and interesting for both fans, professionals and the general public. A strict, year-by-year presentation was considered too heavy and "static" for most people outside the fan community. At the same time, I personally insisted on documenting the history of the Contest, especially the Norwegian finals. Unfortunately, the detailed voting results had to be left out due to space limitations, but we did includ the totals for all entries as well as the points given and received by Norway in each European final. I also insisted on including the names of all songwriters from the Norwegian finals, since they are the "real" competitors, and this particular information has never been gathered in one book before.

Did you uncover any new information concerning the Norwegian finals?

The booklet we put together for the 1996 Eurovision Song Contest was already quite substantial. In addition, our coverage for EuroSong News came in very handy. But of course, we were now dealing with a real book, and all facts had to be meticulously checked - and double checked. This gave us quite a few surprises. For instance, it turned out that several well known Norwegian poets have participated in the Melodi Grand Prix, pseudonymously or anonymously. Thanks to the helpfulness of TONO, the Norwegian performing rights' society, their real identities have now been revealed. Another example: In 1985, the lyrics of the song "II & II" were written by the mysterious B.A. Olsen. It turned out the man behind this pseudonym was none other than Finn Kalvik, famous for his "nul points" at the 1981 ESC!

And what about the European finals and the 1956 voting?

The details that we publish in the book, are the result of many years of research, and gracious help from many Eurovision veterans, hence the very long list of acknowledgements. In the late 80s, I was invited by Marie-Claire Vionnet (former EBU voting scrutineer Frank Naef's assistant) to visit the EBU headquarters in Geneva and consult their archives. It contained quite a lot of information from 1956, but unfortunately not the complete voting result. However, I did find a copy of the actual voting sheet used by each jury member in Lugano, and a number of letters from TV stations indicating their names (2 from each country). By 1990, I had been able to track down and interview most of them, as well as the EBU's jury secretary in 1956, a man from Belgium. None of these people had kept the complete voting result, but they all remembered bits and pieces. When all this was put together and cross checked, I was able to establish the top 4, the last place and the total scored by the winning song. Obviously, it would be great to find the complete result, and I haven't given up.

As an OGAE veteran, how do you see the status of the club and the fan community in the Eurovision Song Contest today?

When I joined the Norwegian club in 1986, the fans were regarded by many almost as parias. That all changed in 1992 in Malmoe, when we from OGAE were allowed to be present at the venue with our very first fan club desk - a joint venture by the Swedish and the Norwegian clubs. It achieved great success with delegates, journalists and TV professionals alike, and from then on, OGAE was a regular feature at the Contest. After my election to the presidency of OGAE Norway, in 1995, I had two main goals: to strengthen the ties between the clubs and the TV companies and the EBU, and to obtain a special quota of tickets for the fan clubs at the European final. It really makes me proud to see the success of the OGAE stand at this year's press centre, and the excellent treatment the fans are given by the EBU and the host broadcaster, with the best seats in the hall each year.

Finally, what do you think of this year's result?

Compared to last year, it was a very open competition. The combination of jury and televoting seems to make the outcome much less predictable, which probably is a good thing. However, I feel the present system gives too much power to just a handful of people, with only 5 jury members in each country. I think each jury should consist of 15 people: 5 professionals, 5 fans (from the fan club if there is one) and 5 "ordinary" members of the public. But in the end, Germany was a very worthy winner, and it was great to see one of the Big 4 winning. I also suppose it's a great relief for many that the Contest will be moving on to a country that can afford hosting it.

The report on Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet's web site can be found here.


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Kato Hansen [10808]
Wed 16 Jun 2010 10:44:16

Hi, guys!

Thanks for your nice comments and constructive remarks on our book. Of course, there are some (minor) mistakes and misspellings, but that's inevitable with such a tight deadline as we had.

I would very much have liked the book to include the songwriters in the European finals as well. And, of course, the detailed scoring grid for each final. But the publisher felt that information was too "specialised" to be of interest to the general public. Besides, it was already available on the Internet for those who needed it.

In his/her comment, w s wrote: "Considering that in 1956 the jurors were allowed to vote for their own country, combined with the fact that Luxembourg didn't send jurors to Lugano, so the Swiss jurors also gave the points for Luxembourg as well as for Switzerland, quite surprisingly resulting in a Swiss win, I think the voting result of 1956 are probably not that important."

It's a misunderstanding that the two jurors nominated by Swiss TV voted on behalf of Luxembourg AS WELL. (If so, the jury in Lugano would have had 12 members, not 14.) What happened was that CLT nominated 2 OTHER Swiss nationals to act as jury members for them. In other words, there were 4 Swiss nationals in the jury, and none from Luxembourg.


Axel Kearns [47152]
Tue 15 Jun 2010 08:32:44

What about Germany ?

@Rost,

NORWEGIAN ok.....


xxTomxx Israel [62717]
Tue 15 Jun 2010 04:09:57

about this world cup converstion ;P
only argentina and spain can take the title the rest realy not convicing ...
not talking about italy france and england just FAIL !


rost [62997]
Tue 15 Jun 2010 00:22:28

And still!!! ///
I'm in in love -
with tha Belurusian FAIRYTALE!!!!!!


@Mario Mir

Just wait, all the countries have still time for the official confirmation! ;)


Mario Mir [44111]
Tue 15 Jun 2010 00:13:10

Why Norway haven't still confirmed for ESC 2011??

All the other Nordic countries just did it! (20 countries in total)




Shevek Urras [60988]
Tue 15 Jun 2010 00:08:55

Thanks, Sara, we will need it! :)


rost [62997]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 23:49:34

@ Sara ♥ shares the moment© [61796]

Are you sure you are not overdoing it "Being A Fan'"


rost [62997]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 23:45:19

Who are these beautiful Norwegian guy s
They sing too?????


Mr Kalogjera [60895]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 23:14:43

In the statistic part they made an unforgivable carelessness!
In the overview for the european finals no composer and lyric writer were mentioned
But for the norwegian finals they did.


The Former TIMSRITNS ;) [52207]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 20:02:24

Well done....! A very well written and good book, by two really nice guys (even if one can say whatever one wants about Josteins ESCs commentary!)

I have to say, I read that book together with Inge Solmos book, and I have to say his book seems rather "silly" and superficial compared t this. Nothing bad meant towards him or the book, but it becomes clear he is more a "superficial glamour fan". Still, when almost winning the top prize in a knowledge competion about ESC...it shows he is NOT stupid, if anyone thought so! I guess the fact that Pedersens / Hansens book is more cheap helped for the sake too...And thankfully, not many cheap Jostein "jokes", this is a more "serious" book, which I think is good., But not pretensious or unentertaining because of that.

Still, one mistake both this team and Solmo do, is claiming that the muysic in ESC often isn't that good...I find that silly! Esp. as they should be real fans, they should stand much more behind ESC. I love most ESC-songs, and it's no way they are inferior to what we can hear on radio everyday etc.

And another thing, why on earth is the fact that ESC 86- held in Norway- getting more media coverage (at least tabloid) than the disaster at Chernobyl regareded as a "scandal"??!! Get a grip, and jump off your silly politically correct high horse! Of course it did! Norway had a sort of "collective orgasm" when we won ESC, and it was a state of europhia, also when we hosted the final on home ground. We had a very low self-esteem when it came to ESC, so when we finally won - something we thoght was impossible - a contest which almost ALL Norwegians watch(ed), you can understand the reaction! That we hosted this WAS a very big thing, and why should real joys and positive sensations being held back for tragedies, which like it or not, usually take more place in the papers anyway?? It happened a week or so prior to ESC anyway, and it was more different things to write about ESC too! I found that inclusion as a scandal really stupid...And even the authors indicate a small dose of self-critism too, stating that "it's perhaps wrong to call it a scndal". Not perhaps guys, OF COURSE it's bloody WRONG!!!

But that's minor critism...Still worth to pay attention to. A good book really. Great even! It goes quite "deep". Could have wished for more about the musical developement etc. Maybe a book covering ALL finals year by year should be written too? With articles on all nat. / internat. finals. Anyway...a good book, covering a BIG gap when it comes to books in general (I'm a librarian, so I know...! )


Sara ♥ shares the moment© [61796]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 19:31:07

w s
I'm pretty sure you will play better in the next games when Robben is back too. The first game is always like that, not the most well-played, but the most important thing is to win, and you did.

shevek
Wow, that's what I call being a fan

Hehe, we just do it for fun. We have to make something out of it even though we can't support our own country. Btw. Portugal is in a really tough group. This years "group of death" with both Brazil and Ivory coast. Good luck tomorrow :)


Shevek Urras [60988]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 18:49:35

w s,

Congratulations on your country's victory. One can always rely on The Netherlands to play entertaining football. I am sure they will play even better in the next game. :)

Sara,

Wow, that's what I call being a fan. :D
-------------------------
I agree, 5 jurors is far from being enough.


w s [29210]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 17:49:43

Thanx Sara, let's hope the matches agains Cameroon and Japan will be a bit more convincing.


Sara ♥ shares the moment© [61796]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 17:46:02

w s
Congrtulations on your victory against Denmark earlier today. ;)
Even though Norway didn't qualify, me and some friends get together and watch it. We always make a studio with different themes (we did it for the olympics, for the Eurovision final and now for the World cup) and we have a big party. We all wore football-shirts, listened to lots of football-supporter songs, and we had a referee whistle, red and yellow card on the table (if someone of us did a "foul" we had to spend 2 min. outside at the terrace for penalty. Hehe..Look at the pic below, how we made the living room. Isn't the football-track (with artificial grass) pretty cool...hehe? It's even grass on the terrace :) So fun :D

http://img16.imagesh(...)0/footballstudio.jpg


Liam Clark [24749]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 16:00:42

@ ws yes, thats true, but I still wanna know!


Andre JA (YES NOW I) [47226]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 14:02:54

5 jurys is not enogh... it should be more than that totally agree... 5 members wont be the ideal number for this kind of show... it should be at least 15...


Tohoshinki ★ [59455]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 13:39:31

Axel Kearns did you enjoooooooooooy Oslo :)


w s [29210]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 13:27:19

Yeah, I am listening to the highly annoying vuvuzelas right now. :-)


Axel Kearns [47152]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 13:15:11

ws,

excited for the upcoming match my friend ? I will support the Netherlands although I think that Germany has a big chance in winning quite a few great events this year...


w s [29210]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 12:53:50

Considering that in 1956 the jurors were allowed to vote for their own country, combined with the fact that Luxembourg didn't send jurors to Lugano, so the Swiss jurors also gave the points for Luxembourg as well as for Switzerland, quite surprisingly resulting in a Swiss win, I think the voting result of 1956 are probably not that important.


@Axel Kearns

Hey, nice to see you again, hope you had a gr8 time in Greece! :)


Axel Kearns [47152]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 08:40:01

Back from 2 lovely weeks in beautiful Greece....

I agree aswell, 5 jurie sare NOT enough....

Lena is doing really well, also very pleased that the Belgian entry turns up in quite a few charts over Europe...


Liam Clark [24749]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 07:55:12

I agree with what Ajdin agrees with! Giving professionals, Fans and Ordinary members an equal say on a jury is a great idea!

And I'm really really keen to find out what the results were from 1956!


Ajdin Mehic [52074]
Mon 14 Jun 2010 07:34:50

"However, I feel the present system gives too much power to just a handful of people, with only 5 jury members in each country. I think each jury should consist of 15 people: 5 professionals, 5 fans (from the fan club if there is one) and 5 "ordinary" members of the public."

I totally agree with this. Five people in jury is just a small number!


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