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UKRAINE WINS EUROVISION SONG CONTEST 2004
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YAAAAAY!!!
CONGRATULATIONS TO UKRAINE!
It was my favourite song, and it won't get out of my head! It is my favourite Eurovision song EVER!
Just using all forums to get a 'heated topical debate' going - The main problem in Britain is that ESC has been seen for a long, long time as the kiss of death for established artists - even if you win - you will forever be seen as a very 'cheesy' (cheap and tacky) pop act - if you don't win (even if you come 2nd) your career is over; therefore established artists will not compete - they have everything to lose and nothing to gain. However - I believe we could attract pop stars from the 80's and 90's to compete if the BBC were to make more of an event of ESC - rather than just laughing at it in a very patronising way. We now have two BBC digital channels BBC3 and BBC4 - perhaps BBC3 could follow the act as they prepare for Eurovision. It seems these days that the pop stars of yesterday will do anything to remain in the public view - including appearing on 'Celebrity Colonic Irrigation' shows (I'm not joking - Kim Wilde did it) or being dropped from an airplane (Cheryl Baker); spending two weeks camping in the jungle - eating slugs to win food (Kerry McFadden - ex Atomic Kitten) - surely entering Eurovision can't be as humiliating as that (especially the colonic).
Alternatively - we use our 'Fame Academy' and 'Pop Idol' shows to groom the winner for Eurovision - there have been a number of these shows over the past few years - and the only 'artist' to have a genuine career from them has been Will Young - the rest fade into obscurity pretty quickly.
Also - it seems that traditional music does very well in Eurovision - as opposed to endless anodyne disco songs - Bhangra - or Indian dance music - is becoming increasingly popular here - or reggae - smooth jazz is increasing in popularity - a good song in any of these categories (and I'm sure people can think of others) would - in my opinion - do better - particularly if the British public can have a song and a singer to be proud of. James Fox sang his song very well this year - but what a dull song!
Mr Blue - what would I be apologising for? - you misunderstanding my comments and throwing personal abuse at me? I don't think so - although I will accept your apology in the spirit of European harmony
Maybe Mark went too far questioning Greece's capability of organizing the Olympics, but you can't deny the International Olympic Committee hasn't been as worried as they are this year for a long time...so perhaps, Mr Blue, you shouldn't take it all too personal. And Shake it! 
Mark Tidmarsh
You might be right that I was aggressive in a way, but when tou question the capability of a whole country to organise an event like this, I will certainly become very angry. It is not personal matter for me, it is something more... Sorry for my language. I wait an apologise from you,too. I wish you came for the Olympics and realise that you have mistaken.
croatia tv said we will win esc 2005 and esc will held in anciant arena in Pula or foodbal stadium in Split
Julia - believe me I had no intention of 'e-fighting' on a website - but blimey - o-reilly - you make a suggestion and get a vitriolic personal attack - what's a man to do?
Guys! Calm down, this forum is not supposed to make people enemies...
Mr. Blue
Like I'm going to tell someone who talks to me like that where i come from - get real! I'm no bully - nor am I a redneck - have I in any way used the kind of bullying aggressive language you have used towards me - I think not. This clearly shows who is the bully around here. I will keep posting ideas if they are treated with some basic human respect - that's all they are - ideas - I'm not saying they should be treated any more seriously than anyone else's - but there's no point me doing that if you8're just going to attack me all the time. Shame - but I'm not into playground games.
Mark Tidmarsh
please don't do that, don't leave this forum...please! As for my language? Well, it deserves to red-necks like you. Oh, regarding the word bully, I ensure you that I know exactly what it means. If the spelling mistake bothered you, I apologise. You got the point anyway. By the way, where do you come from?
It seems to me that there are too many people visiting this site who like to moan. Ruslana was fantastic and deserved to win. All this talk of political voting is just sour grapes. Sakis did a brilliant job, and Greece should be proud of him. The crowd at the stadium went mental when he came on, and his performance was faultless. There was nothing more he could have done. Thank you Turkey, it was a wonderful show!
this years contest was one of the best contests ever. i was very happy with the top 10 semi-fianl, and top 3 final (my biggest favourite was serbia, ukraine and greece, in order)
olivier, no one will argue with you about the winners, but for the rest of the countries the number of votes is importanyt as well with respect to participation in the final of the next contest. stop denying and face the facts, please
CONGRATULATIONS UKRAINE!!! and of course CONGRATULATIONS TURKEY!! HEY WELL DONE TURKS! IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST EUROVISIONS I'VE EVER SEEN!! THE POSTCARDS AND THE MAGNIFICENT ORGANISATION MADE ME LOVE TURKEY! I'LL DEFINITELY VISIT TURKEY THIS SUMMER!!
WAIT ME ISTANBUL,
ANTALYA,
BODRUM AND IZMIR ETC.!!!
hi, maybe somebody did the same thing already... In the vote crosstable, for each voting country, I removed the votes attributed to bordering countries, and you know what? It does not change anything: 1.Ukraine, 2.Serbia, 3.Greece.
Interesting, isn't it?
Has anybody tried to remove "friend" countries (not necessarily "bordering" 
? Do you think it is possible to predict the result with some kind of smart computation that would take into account the potential of each song (from bookmakers) and the "who's most likely going to vote for whom"?
SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE, SHAKE MI AMOR
IT WAS AND STILL STAY THE BEST ENTRY OF 2004 AND WHAT HAPEND THAT WINNS RUSLANA SAKIS WAS THE BEST JUST THEY DONT HAS SOW MANY COUNTREYS AROUND LIKE UKRAINE AND THE NORDIC BLOOK JUST TRYE TO KEEP THE ESC CLOOSE TO THEM BECOUSE I AM SOUR THAT THE NEXT YEAR SWEEDEN WOW SORRY I MEAN UKRAINE GONA MAKE GOOD ESC LIKE LATVIA ESTONIA JEJEJEJEJEJE GO SWEEDEN AND IF YOU CANT WINN YOU DONT WORRY YOU HAVE A LOT OF BALTIC COUNTRYIES THAT THEY NEAD YOUR HELP TO MAKE A ESC MABE BELARUSE 2006
KISSES FROM SPAIN
HASTA LUEGO AMIGOS
i think every country has the same chance to win , with a good song they manage it....the people who watch it will call for this country.
but serbia was too boring in my opinion!
parlas czebo iito
hi, maybe somebody did the same thing already... In the vote crosstable, for each voting country, I removed the votes attributed to bordering countries, and you know what? It does not change anything: 1.Ukraine, 2.Serbia, 3.Greece.
Interesting, isn't it?
Has anybody tried to remove "friend" countries (not necessarily "bordering" ? Do you think it is possible to predict the result with some kind of smart computation that would take into account the potential of each song (from bookmakers) and the "who's most likely going to vote for whom"?
Mr. Blue
If we're going to get personal - Athens holding a successful olympics - I'll believe it when I see it! Actually I have a brain of average size - but let's not get into that - I'm not saying you can't do it (Unless it's you yourself doing it Mr. Blue - in which case diplomacy isn't going to get us anywhere). I'm saying many smaller nations will not WANT to spend that kind of money on what you yourself call a 'little song festival'. As for your language and attitude - what can I say? All I'm trying to do is open up a debate as to how we can improve ESC - but with people like you usiong this forum to abuse people - this is obviously not the right place - it's more like a school playground - and as for me being a bully - I think you should check out what the word means before bandying it about willy-nilly. Goodbye - I'm off to find some adult deabte on ESC - can't be bothered to deal with children.
It was a Great EURO-VISION 2004.
Ruslana and her song are great - already a Hit in Germany.
To Mark Tidmarsh,
I can do nothing but react when I read bullshit!.. You said that Greece and Portugal can't afford hosting the event!!! Ha ha, very funny bullie! We are hosting the Olympics this summer... or you had forgotten that? Portugal is hosting the Euro 2004! What the f..k are you talking about! Do you mean that this little song festival is more expensive and more difficult to be organised than these gigantic athletic events? You better use your tiny brain before writting bullshit like that!
To Mark Tidmarsh,
I can do nothing but react when I read bullshit!.. You said that Greece and Portugal can't afford hosting the event!!! Ha ha, very funny bullie! We are hosting the Olympics this summer... or you had forgotten that? Portugal is hosting the Euro 2004! What the f..k are you talking about! Do you mean that this little song festival is more expensive and more difficult to be organised than these gigantic athletic events? You better use your tiny brain before writting bullshit like that!
To Mark Tidmarsh,
I can do nothing but react when I read bullshit!.. You said that Greece and Portugal can't afford hosting the event!!! Ha ha, very funny bullie! We are hosting the Olympics this summer... or you had forgotten that? Portugal is hosting the Euro 2004! What the f..k are you talking about! Do you mean that this little song festival is more expensive and more difficult to be organised than these gigantic athletic events? You better use your tiny brain before writting bullshit like that!
To Mark Tidmarsh,
I can do nothing but react when I read bullshit!.. You said that Greece and Portugal can't afford hosting the event!!! Ha ha, very funny bullie! We are hosting the Olympics this summer... or you had forgotten that? Portugal is hosting the Euro 2004! What the f..k are you talking about! Do you mean that this little song festival is more expensive and more difficult to be organised than these gigantic athletic events? You better use your tiny brain before writting bullshit like that!
To Mark Tidmarsh,
I can do nothing but react when I read bullshit!.. You said that Greece and Portugal can't afford hosting the event!!! Ha ha, very funny bullie! We are hosting the Olympics this summer... or you had forgotten that? Portugal is hosting the Euro 2004! What the f..k are you talking about! Do you mean that this little song festival is more expensive and more difficult to be organised than these gigantic athletic events? You better use your tiny brain before writting bullshit like that!
To Mark Tidmarsh,
I can do nothing but react when I read bullshit!.. You said that Greece and Portugal can't afford hosting the event!!! Ha ha, very funny bullie! We are hosting the Olympics this summer... or you had forgotten that? Portugal is hosting the Euro 2004! What the f..k are you talking about! Do you mean that this little song festival is more expensive and more difficult to be organised than these gigantic athletic events? You better use your tiny brain before writting bullshit like that!
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