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15/May 2007 at 14:32

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Who could want to stop the spring?

Ireland: Press reaction not happy

Ireland, winner of the Eurovision Song Contest for a record seven times, is reflecting on its Eurovision flop, finishing last place with only 5 points, last Saturday. The Irish media have reacted in unease saying although that the eastern block voting played a major part in our failure, the song, 'They can't stop the spring,' was too folk and traditional for a song contest that contained boom-bang-a-bang!

With the press in general denouncing Ireland's performance this year, one solution kept appearing all the time: pull-out of the competition. However, RTÉ remain reserved on the matter, saying that the Irish need to "reappraise our approach", giving light that Ireland may still enter next year.

Dervish are naturally disappointed but are looking forward to accompanying Irish President Mary McAleese on her state visits to Latvia and Lithuania next week.

Out of all the major press articles in Ireland, one article stood out, the article written by John Waters, who co-wrote the song They can't stop the spring, which was sung by Dervish.

Below is the article written in the Irish Times newspaper published Monday 14th May 2007, don't forget you can react to the article below!

Who could want to stop the spring?

There was a brief period in the early hours of Friday when I went halfway to meet the possibility that Ireland might come last in Eurovision, writes John Waters

It wasn't that my belief in our song or in Dervish's performance of it suddenly imploded, but that I remembered, having watched the semi-finals, what we were involved in. Nothing had changed except to get slightly better in the way things had been getting incrementally better through the week.

We had, we remained certain, a good song. Rehearsals were going well. Cathy Jordan was singing beautifully. The response from the floor of the auditorium during rehearsals was warm and connected. The Finnish technicians were dealing with every issue we raised. The steady optimism that I'd felt was growing and deepening.

But now I felt myself contemplating not merely defeat but the possibility of being completely stuffed, of coming last, of not garnering a single vote.

It wasn't a fear of voting pacts or of any identifiable trend in the songs which had emerged from the semi-finals. It was neither a premonition nor anything rational, simply an awareness that if this thing can make dreams come true it can also make nightmares real. Suddenly I felt cold.

Then the feeling went away, as the logic of the semi-final results appeared to take shape. I didn't, and don't, buy into the conspiracy theories, the talk of voting pacts or the belief that the contest has become, irreversibly, "The Eastern European Song Contest".

I reiterate my belief that the emerging patterns of voting are much less about tribal affinity than cultural, as in musical, recognition.

I repeat: the issue is not tone-deaf neighbourly loyalty but the fact that, clearly, East European countries share a musical ear, whereas the popular culture of the West becomes increasingly fragmented and diversified. What I saw as having emerged from Thursday night was a collection of reasonably good songs, varied, a bit time-warped, but also interesting, absorbing and of a reasonable musical quality.

In the shadow of the question-mark left by Lordi's victory a year ago, this seemed like it might be good for Ireland. Just as I didn't accept the idea of crude voting loyalties, I didn't see Lordi as mere kings of spectacle. I still feel there was a coherent musical message behind last year's result (just as there is a coherent musical message behind this year's result, even if, for the moment, I freely admit that I have only the vaguest idea what this might be). In the warmish Helsinki light of Friday, I made a choice to take comfort from what I had half-digested of the previous evening.

Nothing of this prepared me for Saturday night. It was utterly, unspeakably, crushing. It may seem daft, but I have never in my life felt more disappointed, not just for myself, but for Dervish, for Cathy, for the wonderful team of people from RTÉ and for my co-songwriter, Tommy Moran.

I console myself with the idea that it wouldn't be possible to enter this arena without risking this level of rejection. If we refuse to take risks, we shut ourselves off to reality's capacity to make dreams come true.

This is this. If we were to set out again, we might not start from where we did. I remain proud of our song and of Cathy and the band. The feeling we got from home during the week was tremendous.

This was a necessary toeing of the water. We went to Helsinki in a spirit of taking part and enjoyed ourselves tremendously up to the meltdown. To be part of this extraordinary event was a privilege and a pleasure. For as long as I live I'll not forget the hour I spent walking about between the dressing rooms just before Saturday night's show, encountering the artists from 23 other European countries going through their paces - warming up their vocal cords, doing their physical jerks and, despite intense rivalry, sharing their hopes and expectations.

It would be a pity to allow disappointment to turn any or all of us against entering Eurovision and trying to win.

But we went to Helsinki with the intention of winning - and came last. I'm not interested in blame or excuses, but only in establishing not so much what we did wrong as what we failed to understand in order to get it right. Above all, we need to look at the victors and the near-victors and see how they did it. If Eurovision's centre of gravity has drifted east, we need to ask ourselves if we are prepared to do what is necessary to compete and occasionally have a chance of winning.

The central questions gravitate around the cultural implications of the still relatively recent collapse of the Berlin Wall. The taste gap between East and West can be addressed in one of only two ways: radical introversion or a more enthusiastic opening up to the new. I prefer the latter.

They can't stop the spring. We can't stop the spring. Who could possibly want to stop the spring?


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Melina ~ [35728]
Fri 18 May 2007 11:25:21

Ok, now all my responses are here - the server has really been playing tricks on me!! :)


Melina ~ [35728]
Fri 18 May 2007 11:24:07

I just can't believe this - twice yesterday I posted here, replying to Milan S, and my posts are still not here...!!?!?
What on earth is going on, esctoday?

Anyway, I'll reply just one more time:
@ Milan S, what I said below is what Dervish have said in interviews, so it's not just my interpretation :)


Mark Eastwood [38117]
Fri 18 May 2007 10:53:06

Very well written response. I don't think the stage really suited Dervish and Cathy was clearly very nervous. I don't think the song was ever likely to challenge the leaders.

If Ireland are to look to the front runners to reassess their entry for 2008 I think a dragged up Ronan Keating in tin foil would go down a storm - or maybe 'Shake it up Seamus'.

BTW - Are there lots of Lithuanaians in Ireland? I thought I was the only person that like The 4Fun.


Melina ~ [35728]
Thu 17 May 2007 17:49:08

@ Milan S, Dervish have said so in interviews, so it's real, not just my interpretation :)

(I did post the same message earlier today, but it's still not here, strange... is it still the server problems?!)


JOHN today [10570]
Thu 17 May 2007 12:55:28

Try and start to sing. The performance was awful!




Melina ~ [35728]
Thu 17 May 2007 12:47:20

@ Milan S, it is what Dervish themselves have said in interviews, so it's real, not only my interpretation :)




MJB Josh [28787]
Thu 17 May 2007 11:47:51

I wish Latvia would have landed on the last place. And mind you, i AM from Latvia.


Luís Almeida [16966]
Wed 16 May 2007 23:49:16

I'd like to say that Ireland is one of my favourite ESC Countries, that two of the Irish winning songs are among my ever favourites ("Rock'n Roll Kids" and "The Voice" ;) and that this is merely ONE result. I wish Portugal and the Portuguese fans had the same reasons to complain as you do... You won seven times, three of them in a row, so... if you want to win again, you know exactly what to do, probably better than anyone.
Good luck and see you next year.
From a Portuguese friend.


Colin Hyde [31390]
Wed 16 May 2007 19:52:05

A pretty sensible reaction from John. I agree withmuch of what he has to say but dispute the fact their performance was good.Ifeel it came acroos poorly both in the hall and on TV: the singer looked uncomfortable, nervous and started very badly. I don't believe the fact I didn't like the song coloured my judgement on this as I did say to my partner at the time: "It may be wishful thinking but this is bad!"


jim hegarty [36390]
Wed 16 May 2007 19:50:36

milan s,it was not the Irish,who gave lithuania 12 point's,it was all the lithuanian's in ireland,that voted.which is why tele vote has to go.all the turk's in nederland,and germany,done the same voting for turkey,this is not fair,it should be the people of each country,that decides not,foreigner's that live there,that vote's.


Kohanna T [40270]
Wed 16 May 2007 15:54:39

Wow. Inspirational article. If people like this are responsible for the Irish eurovision entries, Ireland will win again soon. This man is right. (which i can't say about many people in the comments section)

@androgynekolog
And to us, believe it or not, YOUR taste is tacky and kitchy (for example Scootch)


Charlotte B [27676]
Wed 16 May 2007 14:16:22

I have a soft spot for everything Irish and I usually love Irish music, but this song didn´t do a thing for me unfortunately! Add to that a weak performance and it´s understandable it didn´t do well. Last year I voted for Brian Kennedy - a wonderful singer - so I certainly hope Ireland will be back soon with some more of your usually fabulous music!


Hattie Winstanley [30105]
Wed 16 May 2007 14:02:20

Ireland came last so you should just give up? Pathetic! Try something different next year. The perfomance was painful to watch on the night and the poor singer looked like a startled rabbit. Irish ballads are just not Eurovision winners anymore. Good song or not it didn't work.
No one country should be bad losers and withdraw from the contest.


Milan S. [19572]
Wed 16 May 2007 13:29:25

@Melina *
Amazing. Although the coincidence is remarkable, I still find it hard to believe that such a traditional Irish song actually refers to Prague Spring (I looked up the article, thanks). It would, however, explain the mysterious "them". Is this official (e.g. a Dervish member said so), or is it your interpretation?


Melina ~ [35728]
Wed 16 May 2007 12:37:01

The song refers to Praque Spring: http://en.wikipedia.(...)g/wiki/Prague_Spring

"They may crush the flowers,
Trample every living thing,
But they can’t stop the Spring"
- refers to students etc. throwing flowers in front of the tanks...

Pity it didn't do better, I love songs with a political message...


Marky Mark [23264]
Wed 16 May 2007 12:32:15

Each year after Eurovision there is always talk about certain countries withdrawing. And each year 99% of the countries return to the contest. This year will be no different. 99% of the countries that took part this year will return to the contest next year.

None of the Big4 will withdraw and the likes of Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland etc will return next year. In my opinion only Austria may decided to jump ship as they did in 2006.

It is a shame that the eastern bloc/balkan voting is spoiling what is a terrific show. However, televoting is here to stay and whilst it remains the voting patterns will remain. And each year we will have the same arguements about the same countries voting for each other. Unfortunately, for the time being at least, we are stuck with the situation.


Melina ~ [35728]
Wed 16 May 2007 12:27:00

@ Milan S: " beside the fact that the song was quite boring, I couldn't quite understand who is "they" in the title (and I tried)."

It refers to the crushing of the Czech rebellion against the Soviet power, by the Soviet forces & tanks in (I think) 1968... So "they" are the Soviet tanks, as far as I know... Pity people didn't know about this - Ireland might have got some votes from Czech Republic at least... ;)


Adrian Collins [25044]
Wed 16 May 2007 12:15:34

jaen flores post sums up perfectly what the trouble is with the Eurovision nowadays.


Kathrin Schmidt [43233]
Wed 16 May 2007 11:20:43

@ jaen flores

What some people obviously don't understand is that the big four can't stop paying easily for the ESC. The EBU don't organize only the ESC. It do a lot of more. So when the big four stop paying for the EBU a lot of more things are affected which have nothing to do with the ESC. It is just that of the whole memberships fees a part is used for the ESC.


Morten Kjems [12106]
Wed 16 May 2007 11:00:30

@jaen flores

Well if the East is so wealthy now, maybe the vibrant economies of Moldova, FYROM, Albania and Belarus can pay for the contest, then there will be no need for the Big 4!!


Jason Williams [15592]
Wed 16 May 2007 10:57:58

Jaen, does your comment help the debate at all or was it just one longish rant against the UK based on attitude you wrong presume is prelevent in the UK?

This is actually about the Irish entry anyway.


Alen K [24941]
Wed 16 May 2007 10:47:12

It seems the 90s and the advantage of being one of three countries who were allowed to sing in English (UK +Malta) are over. Noone heard any complaints at time when Ireland won three or four times in a row with songs that surely were not the best ones (especially 1994!)


Milan S. [19572]
Wed 16 May 2007 09:16:58

Oh, one more thing!
Thanks to Ireland for honoring Lithuania with douze points. I wished some country would do that, the song was actually quite good, just not very catchy.


Milan S. [19572]
Wed 16 May 2007 09:01:32

I'm another Sebian who loves Irish music and would gladly vote for songs such as "The Voice" (1996). I really didn't have any motive to vote Irish this year - beside the fact that the song was quite boring, I couldn't quite understand who is "they" in the title (and I tried).

As to the apparent Eastern domination in the ESC, I'd like to refer the readers to an excellent article in the "Helsingin Sanomat" (Finnish newspaper) at http://www.hs.fi/eng(...)+Sopot/1135227262498

The author seems to have pointed out some interesting facts that the rest of the world seems to have missed (deliberately?).
For instance:

What tends to be forgotten in all this griping is that the UK (five previous trophies, but 23rd in 2007) and Ireland (seven trophies and last this year) are guilty of a reverse variant of the football fans' cardinal sin of "only singing when you are winning".

They were, for instance, never heard complaining very loudly about the perceived injustice of the years when everyone had to perform in their own language, when someone trying to peddle a song in Portuguese or Finnish or Serbo-Croat had a tough fight on his or her hands against the might of Bad English, the lingua franca of the European continent.


Whatever ... [29486]
Wed 16 May 2007 08:28:50

First of all, Ireland ... won SEVEN TIMES!!!!!!!

Last year, in Athens, with a good song and his great LIVE! vocal performance, Brian Kennedy 'lifted' Ireland as one of the Top 10 winners ... but, when 'Everything' ;) pointed to what would have been the year of the ballad, against ALL odds, we can remember what style music won then; that ... protest vote was way too heavy for Eurovision ...

Which brings us to this year, where a SONG with a most beautiful melody and wonderful vocal performance won.


Sorin SRN [42680]
Wed 16 May 2007 08:17:41

Soni Malaj - "Ndarja" or the original "MOLITVA"!
http://www.thesun.co(...);clipID=1347_SUN2045


jaen flores [26889]
Wed 16 May 2007 07:58:03

MONEY MONEY MONEY

Big 4 only talking about the money, money cant buy you the winning position, but most importantly money cant buy love, now all the rest of the world hates you, dignity is not talking about the bloody money all the time, leave the contest and see if the rest can manage or not, they can very well manage, there is not a British Cinema but the Russian cinema is massive, and they spent billions of dollars to make them. you think the west is so poor? just because you have never seen it, Paris looks like a 3rd world country city now, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Dubrovnik, Ljubljuna looks classy , rich and great, just go and visit if you can afford it !


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